Why is it called Windows 10 and not Windows 9?

Windows 10 is finally here — and it’s been a long and winding road. Let’s step back for a moment and address one of the most confusing things about the latest version of Windows. When Microsoft announced its newest operating system last year, the surprise was not that it was coming, but that Windows would be skipping version 9 and heading straight to 10. When asked about Windows 10’s name, Microsoft never really gave a clear answer. So why, exactly, did Windows 10 get the nod instead of 9?

Version numbers, schmersion numbers

You may remember that between Windows 3 and Windows 7, Microsoft designated each version with a name instead of a number: 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000, Vista, and so on. When the company announced Windows 7, there was actually a similar amount of disbelief; after a series of named versions of Windows, it seemed odd to switch back to numbers.

Windows 8.1: Actually version 6.3, build 9600.

There’s also the fact that the name of each Windows release doesn’t actually match the real version number. For example, Windows 8.1 is actually version 6.3 of Windows. Windows 10 is version 6.4. The last time the release name actually matched the version number was the enterprise-focused Windows NT 4.0, which was released back in 1996. Windows 2000, which was called NT 5.0 during development, was actually version 5.0. Windows XP was version 5.1. Windows Vista was 6.0, Windows 7 was 6.1, Windows 8 was 6.2, and Windows 8.1 is version 6.3.

Windows RT, which only ran Metro apps, was a new and separate beast, but it still sat on top of the core Windows NT kernel. That one is dead now.

Modern versions of Windows are still based on the Vista kernel and code base — including Windows 10, which is actually Windows 6.4. There will be some confusion if (or when) we eventually reach internal version 7.0, but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.

Alternative theories for skipping Windows 9

An ExtremeTech reader called Benny sent us an email to say that the number 9 is considered unlucky in Japan. Microsoft has a big enough presence in Japan that it may have skipped Windows 9 to avoid any weirdness or ill will. Benny says that Trend Micro — a Japanese company — did the same thing a few years ago when it skipped version 9 of its antivirus software.

Second, someone purporting to be a Microsoft developer posted this comment on Reddit:

As insane as that hack sounds, it’s feasible that there are still plenty of legacy Desktop apps that use this method (or something similar) to check for Windows 95 or 98. Bear in mind that this is just an example piece of code — some developers will check for the OS name (“Windows…”), some will check for the version number (as discussed in the previous section of this story), and some may use other methods entirely to find out what OS the app is running on.

What’s in a name?

Ultimately, Windows 10 is just a name. Windows 9 probably would’ve made more sense — and it’s always going to cause some grief with novice users who just don’t understand what happened to Windows 9. But Windows 10 isn’t any more right or wrong than calling Vista’s successor Windows 7.

Why Windows 10 wasn’t called Windows One: “It has been done before” (by Bill Gates)

Perhaps a better question to ask is why did Microsoft call it Windows 10 specifically, and not something else? During the launch event (video embedded above) Myerson gives us a few clues. Starting at around the 2:10 mark, he said the following: “We know, based on the product that’s coming, and just how different our approach will be overall, it wouldn’t be right to call it Windows 9.” He then talks about how Windows One would make sense with Xbox One, OneDrive, and OneNote, “but unfortunately Windows 1 has been done by the giants that came before us.” And so it seems the only other viable option was Windows 10.

Microsoft’s seemingly arbitrary naming convention of Windows 10 is an interesting one. It’s a strong-sounding version number — and it’s also a neat way of distancing it from Windows 8, which Microsoft really wants to bury in the living room couch cushions when no one is looking. In fact, this may even be the same trick that Microsoft used to make us forget about Vista: “Hey, with a name like Windows 7, it must be very different from Vista.”

Apple’s OS X has been OS X for 14 years now — and shows no sign of being retired

What about any similarity to Apple’s Mac OS X? Apple did a similar thing, after all: Its operating system versions steadily increased from System 1 through 7, then switched to Mac OS 8 and 9, and when it got to OS 10 (X) in 2001, it stopped altogether. We don’t think Microsoft is intentionally copying Apple with Windows 10. But the marketing department has to be aware of both the positive and negative repercussions of wanting to ride on Apple’s coattails.

Finally, given how Windows 10 is meant to be a single platform for just about every form factor, plus the massive weight and importance that Microsoft is lending to this release, we wouldn’t be surprised if it sticks around for a long time — and Microsoft has made noises indicating it wants to move to an ongoing, evolving OS without specific version numbers.

So that’s it: Windows 10 is called Windows 10 because Microsoft says so — even if “Windows” or “Windows X” would’ve been better. Check out our continuing Windows 10 coverage for more information.

James Plafke contributed to this article.

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“Why is it called Windows 10 not Windows 9?”

The answer is simple.

They still haven’t fired enough marketing tossers at MS yet.

And I think you are right about this. They should also target the Xbox division about that.

I have a feeling the next system (if there even is going to be one) will be pretty good just to keep from repeating this mess.

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Na the Xbox division is just fine, they finally are going in the right direction with it, integrating PC, mobile and console, in to one ecosystem.

They should make the Xbox more PC like, and work more together with the rest of MS products, its properly the save for the Xbox division.

The people that came up, and approved the following commercial should be banned from any marketing job on the planet.

They need to fire the Apple-wantabes with their fixation on OS 10.x

Nah, the answer is much simpler.

7 8 (ate) 9 so 9 is now dead – eaten by 7 :)

7 8 9… seven eight nine – 9 was eaten by 7 … Ha :P

Windows 95 – Good

Windows 98 – Bad

Windows 98 SE – Better

Windows Me – Bad

Windows XP – Much Better

Windows Vista – Garbage

Windows 7 – Best

Windows 8 – Crap/Garbage

Windows 8.1 – Good

Windows 10 – We Shall See Soon Enough…

Windows 12 – Crap

Windows 13 – Good

Windows 15 – Bad

Windows 15.1 – Better

Windows 20 – Awesome…. LOL

Um 95 was not good. it was revolutionary but I seem to recall reinstalling because of blue screens at least every month.

It was amazing because it was revolutionary but went down to just being good because of all the crashes? Mayhaps?

You obviously never tried to configure Windows 3.1 to use a sound card and CD drive! Windows 95 was a dream compared to 3.1. . .

OMG…Add a NIC to the mix with Win 3.1 or 3.11 and try and get your base ram high enough to load windows. That is if you got all the IRQs set right

make sure the nic was NE2000 compatible and use QEMM to load high all the unnecessary stuff…

I did in Win 3.11. And it was a lot more stable than Win 95 with all the BSoD’s.

That’s why I still have a copy of 3.1 sitting on my shelf…still in the factory wrapping and a near mint Box. I never got around to using it!

Windows 1 and 2 were crap. They were arguably revolutionary, but it wasn’t until Windows 3.3 that computers actually had enough power to warrant using a graphic UI rather than just command-line prompt.

Even today, the problem with OS very frequently is that they take too much of the available overhead.

By “revolutionary”, you mean, copied from XEROX’s never-released operating system. THAT was revolutionary.

One word: AmigaOS.

Amiga was very nice. I was running Quarterdeck on my PC at the time, which did actual multi-tasking at a time when Windows was simply task swapping.

3.3? do you mean 3.11

I distinctly remember having to fish out the install CD and reboot 98 every time I needed to change an IP address.

I remember having problems using a CD ROM to play music in 3.1. Sgt. Pepper refused to sing because the vocal track wouldn’t play.

ya redbook audio support was a pain id the PCM audio was not set correctly

setblaster for the win….

I totally disagree. Windows 95 was the best OS I ever used. I have been plagued with problems since 95. I saw blue screens all the time with Vista and 7 constantly freezes on me. Windows 8 was horrible, but 8.1 has made it usable enough. XP at least supported every PC game known to man.

Wow, Win7 has been rock solid for me.

True story they kind of messed up the computer business trying to make it look “cool” and fresh

95 was the first upgrade I ever tried. I kept having to take it back into the shop until I finally understood there was a full version I needed. What a learning curve! I never upgraded an O.S. again.

But 95 and 98 both shared a problem. They allowed you to run multiple instances of the same driver, creating a host of problems. In fact, if it weren’t for these operating systems, I might never have learned as much about PCs as I did.

As I recall, SE was better than 95, though. Then again, I never tried to get a TV tuner card to run in 95- or in any system other than 98. That sucker would conflict with just about everything.

Thank God the IRQ conflict is a thing of the past.

The only 7 problem I have is it keeps advancing my clock by 1hr. Don’t know what that’s about, but when trying to find out I saw others with the same issue. Typical response was to check time zone settings…which are not changed.

Had a similar clock issue in my travels. It was causing sync issues with Outlook. Using the correct, “Perth” time of +8. it wouldn’t sync properly. I changed it to a different +8 time zone & everything worked!? Whatever it takes to make the PC happy, that’s what you do! ;)

Windows 3.1 or 3.11 was crap compared to how light MS-DOS was. You had to run it through MS-DOS (Norton Commander) as an application, then run a new app from it. It was too much for the system and useless. All apps and games were faster on MS-DOS. Windows 95 was the first REAL operating system. 98, 98SE were basically the same, but more stable and better. 2000 and XP were a huge improvement. Vista was very good and a big improvement also, but it was too much for it’s time. It was using too much resources, so you basically had to remove a lot of it’s preinstalled stuff to get it to work as a 7. Which I did, eventually, so 7 was not a shock for me. Windows 8, 8.1 are still in bug fixing phase for me, but they’re pretty good, too. Overall, Windows 95 was the best improvement, but it was not compatible with more than 80% of the applications and games available and it stayed like that for a long time.

Hated Vista. That thing asked permission endlessly. Constant alerts for normal functions. 7 was much better. Once Windows Update stopped disabling the WIFI, that is.

It was the first every windows OS, what did you expect? A damn super-computer?

You forgot Windows 2000. Nvm.. 2000 is for business use

I had 2000 on one of my PCs and it was very good. It was more or less a home-use version of NT and was very stable.

Actually, Win 2000 was a lot more stable than Win 98SE because of the NT Kernal. A lot of true home users liked Win 2000 because of that.

Yeah, I used Win 2000 long after XP was released.

It was the best OS they’ve released yet. So sleek and lightweight in comparison to their other releases.

That’s why 2000 and NT don’t belong on the list, and the opening of the article would have made more sense without them, provided it said “between Windows 98 and 7” rather than 3.1 and 7.

The reason for names vs. numbers was to signify that Windows was going all NTFS. Which is the same logic for when numbering is used instead. One file format where previously 2 was needed.

XP was the best, the most stable and the most reliable, and it came after 98, which made it feel “awsomer”!

I agree. Xp did almost everything. 7 is good too, but Xp surprisingly did more things that put 7 to shame. When they came out with 8. I was like what are you guys doing. 8 is in my opinion good for tablets only. It was disappointing to see Xp loose thier support and thrown on the back burner. Microsoft needs to return back to the basics and improve 7 and turn it into something better. These days, you night as well buy an Apple IMac since MS is trying to be like them.

Ahem…. it’s spelt might you biased Mac supporters. DAMN. Mac OS bias supporters need to be thrown off the planet. Kim Jon, you with me big guy.

1) compare OS to OS… in that case MacOS AND Windows are modeling after each other. It really doesn’t matter who copied who first, at this point they are converging on the same idea.

2) Apple (which also makes all their own computers) ditched their glorious processor for the Intel processors that used to be synonymous window Windows. Then they ditched their underlying infrastructure for Unix to make OS X.

So… patterning one’s product after another when it is considered an improvement (or simply for market share) is basically the name of the game. Windows XP and Mac OS 9 met the same fate…. They were good, but the company decided that it had to evolve … in pretty dramatic ways… angering/disillusioning many faithful users.

I do agree that Windows 8.x makes the most sense if you have a tablet PC (i.e. touch screen computer vs simply a tablet). It is essentially the prior Windows phone OS with a “desktop” app included.

Once I understood that I was able to use it. In my opinion it was a great move! It underscored, how silly it was that mobile computers (i.e. notebooks including iBooks/Mac Air) had basically ZERO features that we are very accustomed to having on every other mobile device.

What are you talking about. Windows 7 had excellent recovery tools that is in general completely automated. The Windows recovery environment is amazing .

You mean Windows 2000/ME came after 98.

Hey Tommy, you’re right! Windows ME came after 98 not XP. ME had such a short shelf-life – just over a year – I completely forgot about it!

That explains a lot!

ur right i dont know what the windows company was thinking when they created windows 8 they must have been on crack. I havent bought any windows 8 products never have never will, i rather switch to mac than try that garbage product.

WIndows 7 is hands down the best product ever to have come out of windows software

Well if your name is examplary for the type of personality you are, in which one would just blurt out opinions without knowledge of the subjects at hand, then you are right.

Windows 8 is in fact not at all a garbage product. In fact, it is a much better version of Windows 7. It is Windows 7, with technical improvements. The only thing that has had most “nerds” rubbed the wrong way is the Metro face and other visual touch-supporting improvements.

The fact that you could turn most of them off, the fact that they in fact do not hinder your ability to control your PC exactly the way you’re used to, the fact that “apps” are completely optional and that the “Metro” Start menu is completely adjustable to cover all your usual regular traditional desktop applications, and the fact it made a lot of things easier once you get used to them and set them up to your preferences, is something that went over their heads.

Funny enough, the same kind of geeks that find Windows 8 too much hassle compared to 7 are often also the kind that would use Android phones because they allow more costumization than iOS phones. :-)

Oh and who said Start menu’s belong in the bottom left corner?! When you open your Start menu do you need to see your (usually empty) desktop at the same time?

I understand people are afraid of changes, especially after the XP to Vista disaster. However the IT world is one of trial and error and embracing changes and innovation.

Maybe one day even YOU can enjoy a start menu that actually shows everything you need without having to click through a bunch of categories first. But perhaps you’ll enjoy using third-party applications that poorly display information on the edges of your desktop instead.

Sure, it’s great. So great that when Windows 8.1 came around and I didn’t want to install it, Win8 threatened that it would start restarting my computer every 2 hours (which it did). When I finally installed 8.1 – after reading a note that the installation guide kindly included stating that it wouldn’t change the contents of my computer – guess what? It changed all the contents of my computer. Every file I had, every game save I had, gone, put into a windows.old folder which wouldn’t let me access it. When I finally figured out how to access it, none of the information in the folder was useful. It was all garbled and useless. I lost tons of work there.

Let’s not forget that Windows 8 is terrible for gamers. There have been many games that I tried playing that wouldn’t let me play, because I owned them in Steam. Win8 kept crashing the game, trying to launch it in the default Windows game launcher in Windows Live. Since I didn’t own the game there – because I already HAVE a copy through another program – it refused to start the game up. Tons of games did this. Fallout 3, New Vegas, Mass Effect, and Limbo to name a few.

To top it all off, I worked in the IT department at my college. One day (two years ago), someone brought in their laptop with Windows 8. It took all of us working that day to figure out how to navigate Win8. It is NOT a good OS if it is designed to be usable by those who are already familiar with *some* operating systems rather than by everyone, new to OS and already familiar. IT is especially not a good OS if an entire team of ITs are needed to navigate it. Win8 is ugly, it’s a disaster, and I am looking forward to upgrading my laptop to Win10. I wanted to downgrade to 7, but my computer wouldn’t let me since it came with 8 pre-installed.

Dear Cornelius, (nice name by the way)

Windows 8 wanting to restarted every 2 hours is because you didn’t disable Windows Update.

You didn’t properly select an upgrade rather than a fresh install of 8.1 which is why you “lost” your files.

Even so, Windows.old content files are extremely easy to restore by a simple backup tool inside Windows itself. No files are garbled, they are prepared to be restored via backup easily.

Windows 8(.1) is by far terrible for gamers. It runs any game better than Windows 7, not only due to better resource management but also due to various technical resources.

Windows 8.1 is in no means tied to Windows Live or it’s “game launcher”. The issues you’ve been having with Steam could partake from any particular problem, but in all likeliness, a technical problem you created yourself. Perhaps due to installing pirated games. Windows 8 works flawless with Steam and is in no way obstructing the use of Steam. They are not even competitors.

Windows 8 navigates exactly as Windows 7 or even Vista and XP. There’s not even a real visual change. Everything is in the place where it always has been.

To put it short, your accusations and problematic situations have absolutely nothing to do with Windows or the methods of Windows 8(.1) and everything to do with your extremely poor IT skills. If your entire “IT Team” has issues with navigating Windows 8, I highly suggest you guys find a new hobby. Perhaps fingerpainting. You can find a Windows 8 app for it in the Windows store.

Your stuff was “over written”, didn’t anyone tell about this crazy new trend called “Online Backup”?

I use Windows 8.1 so no turd rapper or a*** wipe can tell me that it sucks, because I gonna drop you down Bruce Lee style. Windows 8.1 almost all the way…………Windows 10…..ALL THE WAY.

Windows: Nothing else suffers from the Star Trek Movie Curse quite as predictably.

Not even Star Trek.

95 98 XP 7 and 8.1 are all realy good, (8.1 once you got rid of metro by installing a third party stuff)

Strange, I’ve seen many people say (un-ironically) that Windows 98 was better than 95.

It was definitely more stable. 98 was my favorite version of windows until xp came around.

I’d say 98SE. That was the gamer OS of choice for a while, even after initial XP was released…

Win98 was buggy crap…Win98SE was the bomb.

It’s also funny that Me got such a bad rep. It was in fact the most stable (and last) version of the 9.x kernel. But by that time everyone was starting to realise that NT was a huge improvement and 2000 was the vastly superior OS despite being older.

You forgot my nightmares Windows NT and 2000

win 98 & 98SE should be great

I installed Classic Shell and never had an issue with Windows 8.1.. It’s only bad for people who think the Start Screen is all there is. Some people honestly don’t know that Desktop mode is even there. I mean non-tech savvy users.

They could have made it easier to find. I wasn’t aware it was an option and still haven’t found it and I’m looking at the control panel right now. That said, I’ve learned to work with Win8.1 as-is out of the box and for the most part haven’t had trouble doing anything I want to do.

i think windows 8 was ok but alot of bugs and i see what you trying to say and its kinda funny lmao

Windows 95 was lousy. Windows 98 was a definite improvement. AND you forgot the best release: Windows 2000.

Windows 20: spring 2017.

Windows 66.6 will be the best O.S ever! As reviewed by Lucifer AntyCrypes.

Pfft… So you can’t predict Windows 10 but can predict 12, 13, 15, 15.1 and 20? That’s some serious glitch in the power you have.

Where is Windows 2000?

Windows 95 – Bad

Windows 98 – Better

Windows 98 SE – Better Still

Windows Me – Bad

Windows XP – Good

Windows Vista – Poor driver support and general bullshit

Windows 7 – Stable and Good

Windows 8 – Pretty much identical to 7 with a less taxing UI and other enhancements i..e getting rid of the start menu

Windows 8.1 – capitulated version of 8 and a step backwards but still stable.

Windows 10 … isnt out yet

98 was not “bad”, though SE was “better”. Vista was fine by SP2.

You forgot the Venerable Windows 3.1.

Windows 2000- Superb

Windows Mojav- Never existed->Mostly Positive—> STILL VISTA.

Windows 7- Hackercentric

Windows 8.1- Hacker says-“WTF it’s harder to hack this crap, damn you Microsoft burn in hell.

Windows 10- Hacker still qoutes->”Burn in hell for eternity”

Windows 8.1 was the best if you used “Classic Start Menu” I liked the UI very much, the taskbar is incomparable to the ugly one on Windows 10, also that touchscreen interface…

Windows 7 was also the best, but behind Windows 8.1

Can you update this based on your feeling for windows 10 now that it’s been released?

It alternates like the Star Trek movies except with Windows 7 and later, the even numbered versions are bad (unlike the Star Trek movies where the odd numbered versions were bad). This predicts 10 as bad, although it seems to be good so far.

So apparently NT 4.0 (or 95) and Windows 10 are bad? In my opinion thy were two of the three best (windows 7 was third). NT gave birth to a whole new generation of technology (Hence the name, NT meant New Technology), and that’s when the Modern Era really began.

Windows 95: Cool

Windows 98: Cooler

Windows ME: Crap. Was this based off of the Windows 1.0 BSOD?

Windows XP: Laggy, but revolutionary

Windows Vista (Beta): Crap

Windows Vista (Longhorn): Crappier

Windows Vista (Final release): Crappiest

Windows 7: Superb

Windows 8: This idea was simply based off of Bullcrap (Actual bull poop)

Windows 8.1: Better than 8, but still crap (it’s the start menu)

Windows RT: Dafuq?

Windows RT 8.1: Same as above.

Windows 10: Badass (BEST EVER)

Server 2003: Laggy

Server 2008: Okay, but has many bugs

Server 2012: Seriously Microsoft?

Server 2016: Assuming it would be based off of Windows 10…The only good version of Windows Server

speaking of luck, windows 13 will be skipped for sure… it is bad luck for america as well as in some asian countries. but i don’t believe in luck.

Ok, so the conclusion is, Win7 is the best

agree for this one ^^

By some sin I committed as a child, i have been punished by owning computers with 98, ME and Vista, although Vista never gave me too much trouble

Calling ME bad is a huge understatement. I began resenting computers in general after ME and switched to Linux. And am using Linux ever since…

windows 98 bad !! you are totally wrong

My theory is that Windows 10 makes Windows 7 sound much older than it actually is. It makes it sound like it’s three generations behind instead of 2.

I think Microsoft, for some reason, are eager to try to get people to stop using Windows 7, because Windows 7 thinking is not in line with the way Microsoft want you to think.

They only do it to keep the cash income flowing. Windows 7 is the bomb and you’re right about making it seem old with so many new iterations that came afterward.

I used Win Xp until the bitter end, and then switched to Win 7, which I quite like. Windows 8 was a living horror. As a “core user”, who actually does work on my laptop that requires a mouse Win 8 was so wrong in so many ways. And yes we all know about the alternate desktop mode they were FORCED to put in later. Microsoft lost all love and trust I had left for them with Win 8.

No, it’s because Windows 7 ate 9.

because 7 ate 9

I thought it was a typo… someone wrote 8+2 instead of 8.2 when they were finally patching all of the crap they did wrong in 8 and didn’t fix in 8.1

It’s simple. They skipped 9 because half their customers skip a version anyways. Now everyone skips a number. It’s just a trick :)

No joke, seems like every other version is subpar…….Me Vista 8, and honestly I know some people like 8 but I still have people coming in and calling asking for laptops with windows 7 on it because they hate 8.

Like Star Trek movies, every other one is good.

Except for the fecal soaked JJ Abrams movies.

Curiously enough, the first JJ Abrams Star Trek film was the ninth film overall.

Actually, it was 11th

Now now….lens flares are AWESOME! Must be, or he wouldn’t use them so d*mn much!

Star Trek, they are all good ;)

Actually, for Windows, every other one is less crappy.

(I could argue that the same could be said for Star Trek – may the Force be with you – but that would incite a flame war.)

You need to check your history of Windows versions – the rule just doesn’t apply very far back. But its an Internet meme so it must be true yes?

(Wikipedia has an article covering Windows versions)

Which rule? the alternate version rule? it does go quite far back. People tend to forget Windows ME. and 95/98 is about 20 years back.

People also forget the first release of Windows 98 was a buggy, flaming pile of dog poo, also. That’s why they actually came out with “Windows 98 Second Edition.”

So, the story goes:

95 Good, 98 SUCK, 98 SE Good, ME SUCK, XP Good, Vista SUCK, 7 Good, 8 SUCK… So yea, “Windows 10.” Kind of makes sense, but I’ll be surprised if this is any less of an abortion than 8 ended up being.

Or if using real OS at work or home, and OSes using same code base: NT3.5 Good, NT4.0 Good, 2000 Good, XP Good, Vista SUCK, 7 Good, 8.x SUCK, 10 …

If you’re counting 98 SE, you might want to include 8.1 as well.

And Windows 2000 ?

Ur grammar SUCK

no YUR GRAMMER SUK

Wasn’t windows me just the home version of windows 2000?

No, it was more closely based on 98 code than NT. Aesthetically, they tried to make it look more like 2K, but the nuts and bolts of it were based on a 32-bit FAT OS.

Like Jason said, Windows ME ended up being an attempt to marry 2000’s UI to Windows 98, because no matter how hard Microsoft tried, no one wanted to develop drivers for consumer grade hardware on the NT kernel. Creative Labs was particularly bad with this, having poorly written drivers that hooked into so many Windows 9x calls that they just couldn’t make the Soundblaster Audigy I had back then work with 2000 (or multi-CPU setups, either!).

Microsoft WANTED to make a 2000 Home Edition (ala XP), but it would take another 2 years of arm-twisting (and the horrible mistake that was ME) before Microsoft got consumer hardware and software manufacturers onboard.

A fond walk down memory lane, that was.

u were a mistake, alright

Yes that’s me – I use two laptops – one with seven and one with 8 – and hell yeah I prefer 7!

And because everyone is familiar with the “every other version is bad” rule, Microsoft wants to make it clear that in this case they’re skipping straight to the next bad version.

My thought exactly. Microsoft shouldn’t have skipped 9 just for that reason.

so what version was Microsoft BOB?? remember the smiley face logo??

Windows 10 is actually great.. you should upgrade first, then talk

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BUT I like windows 8.1 update 1 a lot !

I liked 8.1 a lot too. Windows 8 being terrible is an old talking point

your comments are old talking points so fuck you

classic power shell start menu made windows 8.1 just a more polished operating system . I have no issues with 8.1.

Problem is, XP was good, Vista got skipped, 7 good, 8 skipped… So going straight to 10 here would give us another skipable version.

Guess 8.1 should count

You skipped Win 8.1? A shame. Win 8.1 is a lot better than Win 8.

Actually working with 8.1 now and liking it a lot more than I originally thought I would. Suppose 8.1 could be added to the odd number group as well

Like SMPlayer, which went from version 0.8.6 to version 14.3.0?

Remember the issues people had with DOS 6.0 and double spacing a fragmented hard drive?

They’re calling it 10 to make it seem like there’s a greater distance from it than windows 8. I really feel like this is the only reason. I’m kind of sad that they changed the name, I am a great fan of the number 9 ; /

MS is missing out on this marketing gem: “I Love Windows Number Nine” set to the tune of “Love Potion Number Nine”

Plus they could call their cloud service Cloud Nine.

I prefer the Beatles ‘Revolution 9’. “Number 9, Number 9, Number 9…”

There is an urban legend saying that every even version number of Windows is likely going to be bad ( or that every uneven version of windows is likely going to be good ). I think Microsoft wanted to counteract this legend so people can forget about it and buy even or uneven versions.

Purely marketing stuff I think.

Yes. Check Wikipedia’s history of Windows versions.

Legend? Anyone who knows anything about Windows knows there’s truth behind this dating back to 95.

marketing people who live in online gaming world who have lost touch with the real one yes?

Maybe we’re all reading it wrong and some engineering genius there really meant it to be Windows “one-zero,” for the “one” that is Windows 7 combined with the “zero” that is Windows 8. But the marketing folks thought it was “ten” and an epic inside joke was born.

Or maybe because 10 in base2 is 2? Hmm. Food for thought.

Shouldn’t it have been Windows 1001 then?

I was thinking, oh, Windows 1 was taken, so add a Zero. Windows 1:0.

Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 is a lost direction in their development. I think it should be called Windows Symbian because everything in it including the architecture behind it is very much like the Symbian OS and I don’t like or don’t want to use it.

I would prefer if MS improve and keep the architecture of the last original Windows (XP) and release a new version of it and called Windows Classic or whatever. Software developers and PC Manufactures definitely will appreciate it more if MS stick with their Windows innovation and originality on that path. It would generates much more lucrative economy in PC markets as before.

Windows 5.xx just need a new “Touch Screen GUI” to get competitive in tablet market which is driven from a similar public research when they introduce Windows 95. I can’t understand why not even one engineers in MS ever think like that to this far.

I don’t know but Windows 10’s name is soo close to Windows 1.0…lol

If they took XP, and just improved it, I’d be so so happy. Windows 8 drives me nuts.

I guess Microsoft named it Windows 10 because to compete against Mac OS X 10 Yosemite in the same number. I think Microsoft did that intentionally.

Who cares? Where is my client hyper-v and client gpu virtualization?

I think called itWin 10 was a giant mistake. Calling it Win 9 would have consciously evoked Win 7, which is Microsoft’s best operating system. The even/odd distinction actually does a better job of distinguishing the new OS from 8 than simply skipping a number. It will sell significantly better as Win 9 than as Win 10.

I think calling it Win 10 was a giant mistake. Calling it Win 9 would

have consciously evoked Win 7, which is Microsoft’s best operating

system. The even/odd distinction actually does a better job of

distinguishing the new OS from 8 than simply skipping a number. It will

sell significantly better as Win 9 than as Win 10.

They are calling it Windows 10 to generate free advertising in the news and online press media. It seems rather obvious.

Oh, that’s simple: Notice how Windows you get a good version, followed by a terrible, then followed by a good version and so on? They just skipped the good version that follows after Win 8/8.1.

It would have been great if they went straight to 11 to one-up OS X.

Guys the man said it himself: They wanted to call it Windows One, but that would be insulting to the geniuses that actually knew some cool things about software engineering in Windows 1.0. So instead they went with Windows 10. That’s Windows Two… in BINARY! Problem solved. You heard it here first.

I’d buy that if Windows 1.0 was actually well designed. Win 1.0 was widely and actually pretty fiercely rejected by the computing community at large and, in fact, Windows never really took off until 3.0 a full five years later.

You mean the “geniuses” who ripped off from Apple’s Lisa and Mac?

keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night

They didn’t call it windows x because of window sex

What’s wrong with window sex? It’s almost as good as stairs sex.

It’s called Windows 10, or X even, to be more like Apple, who they are clearly stealing all of the features from…

not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but I do love the way they stole touchscreen laptops from Apple… and before anyone goes on about how stupid a touchscreen

laptop is, let me say they are as stupid as say, an ipad… with a touchscreen, that you can buy a keyboard for and use like a laptop…

. They didn’t steal touchscreen laptops from Apple! Apple didn’t even make the first touch screen, LG did but they weren’t a big company at the time so no one noticed.

sorry, I forgot the sarcastic tag

That’s OK – most of us got it. Destiny need to work on his sarcasm detection algorithm.

touchscreen evolution has not completed as of yet.

current touchscreen lacks haptic feedback. things are in the works for this right now. to start out haptic feedback overlays onto existing capacitive charge transfer touchscreens may be the new thing.

I dunno. Microsoft’s current model these days seems to be more along the lines of “be Google, except not as competent.”

because nvidia just skipped 8 and jumped to 9, microsoft think itself is better than nvidia.

Windows 9 seems to be drinking tea with Leisure Suit Larry 4: The Missing Floppies.

I was hoping to be the first to get this gag in. Nicely played!!

The number 9: Just as the number four has a bad-luck soundalike in Chinese, 9 is feared in Japan because it sounds similar to the Japanese word for torture or suffering.

“Microsoft dev here, the internal rumours are that early testing revealed just how many third party products that had code of the form

and that this was the pragmatic solution to avoid that.”

Highly unlikely, given that the win32 API for versions does not return strings.

Windows XP – win

Windows Vista – fail

Windows 8 – fail

Windows 9 – !SKIPPED A WIN!

Windows 10 – fail

because it’s an odd number?

I like how you start at XP because it really doesn’t hold before then.

Beware of statisticians who choose arbitrary starting points.

Windows 98 – win

Windows ME – fail

95 is like.. 20 years back

95 wasn’t exactly a win.

its so intense it skipped windows 9 :))))

Windows 10 is actually amazing.

Well, is it Windows 10, or Windows 2 (binary 10)

Or Windows 3788246 (Base 3788246 –> 10)

Answer: Windows 9 was goinig to be such a flop they skipped staright to 10

This is why it’s not called Windows 9:

String os = System.getProperty(“os.name”);

throw new RuntimeException(

They could have just named it something else internally, and called it Windows 9.

10 is 100% further from the 8 than 9 would be. M$ is distancing themselves from the Metro fiasco.

Should be called windows 7.5.

The OS version does not match the kernel version, because the kernel is not the OS. Similarly, the Linux kernel, now at version 3.16, is only a part of a typical Linux based distribution, e.g. Ubuntu 14.04, Fedora 21, and so on.

I tend to think of it differently. The OS is the kernel + whatever else runs with/for it in kernel space. Whereas the SYSTEM DISTRIBUTION (Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Mac OS X, Windows.) is the whole collective. Thus technically one is running Linux 3.16, which is powering Fedora, etc…

Keep in mind that’s just my personal preference, but it does draw a more solid line between the OS and its userspace, which can change all willy-nilly.

I’m still going to call windows “10” windows 8 2.0

But a simple windows 8.2 … no?

The real answer to this question:

They wish to call it ‘Windows OS X’ to look more professional.

I think Windows X looks a lot more professional and badass (just reminded myself of Jean Reno), all at the same time.

MS.- Company who bought out everyone (hostile, if necessary) at the start & stymied the entire evolution of computers. For the fanbois- it was NOT a good thing.

Yes, like when they rescued Apple by investing in them.

And of course Linux is a just, at heart, a clone of an O/S written in the 70’s (and many of the tools haven’t evolved much since). If the command-line remains the best user interaction we’re clearly doing something wrong.

they should just be true and call it 6.4…. the new and improved vista !

Windows ‘X’ would have been called “WindX” for short, and we would have a slew of memes from My Big Fat Greek Wedding, and the old dude saying, “put a little WindX on it!”

Why not just call it MS-OS, lol. Who cares, in the end, we’ll all just call it, “windows” xD

There is a stigma, that every other version sucks. “5 was good, 7 is good. 6 and 8 suck” or whatever it is people think. So this is the odd number release, with the magic, but with an even number. DEAR GOD, IT’S GOING TO BE MAGICAL AND REVOLUTIONARY. *cough*

Microsoft OSX. Oh god… we’re doomed!

What if it is just windows binary 2? Just saying. After all they said they wanted to do one but couldn’t so why not just do binary 2 as in 10.

But to the public it makes no sense to skip the number 9. Either call it 9 or stop using that type of numbering at all.

For instance give it the version name of the year it is released like they do with Office, for instance Windows 2015.

Every other version is good or rubbish.

98 was good, ME bad, XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad.

Maybe 9 became a failure so they decided to call it 10. Skipping the good product that should follow 8. :)

I hope not. I am skipping 8 so I hope the next Windows to be a good OS again.

That’s what they do with the server OS, for example, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2012 etc.

I tested it and it’s going to be a great OS in Microsoft’s history

Maybe they don’t want to lose the German market… “Windows NEIN!”

Maybe they should have called it Windows 42. The ultimate answer to Apple, Linux and Playstation. But what was the question?

“Presenting Windows 9. 10, D’oh.” Isn’t “Nintendo” already copyrighted?

(Somebody make a political cartoon of that, please.)

MS wants to ‘literally’ distance themselves from their Windows 8 disaster as much as possible, so why not Windows 20?

“First of all, it’s important to note that between Windows 3 and Windows 7, versions of Windows were designated by a name rather than a number: 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000, Vista, and so on.” You’re mixing and matching two completely different product lines with this statement. 3.1, 95, 98 and ME were a different line than NT4, 2000 (aka: NT 5), XP, etc.

Remember the Chevy Nova? Well Nova apparently means “it doesn’t go” in Spanish (http://spanish.about.com/cs/culture/a/chevy_nova.htm). Sales of this vehicle were weak in Spanish speaking countries (e.g.: Mexico).

What’s this got to do with Windows? Well, in Germany, Nein means no or not so Windows Nine -> Windows Nein. Probably not the best way to promote your product to German speaking customers.

nvidia skipped geforce 800s, microsoft skipped windows 9, i guess i’ll just skip my next age

Could it be possible that they skipped Windows 9 so everyone would talk about why they skipped it? It seems to pop up on every single tech site you visit. It generated buzz so mission accomplished.

Because skipping a number generates more buzz. People are asking “What happened to Windows 9?” and that’s the whole point – because you would ask that question.

Well… I think that… As windows 6.1 = windows 7 and next was windows 8

So windows 8.1 = windows 9 and next is windows 10

I thought it was to not confuse German users.

Actually, based on rumors I have read, Windows 9 will be a free update to Windows 8 that will act as mostly a rename for Windows 8 in order to remove the stigma of the name, but there will not be much new in terms of functionality. Kind of like what they did when they moved from Vista to 7.

It’s obvious. It’s because seven ate nine.

Is very easy, the BUILD is 9841, the next year (rtm, gold or release) it will be more 10,000. Windows 10 thousand, (they don’t talk, they don’t have time, mood to talk, leave the people guess, whatever, dont have space to publish and explain)

They (M$oft) let it slip before that W9 was going to be a free update for W8 users. They must have realized later what that really meant and took obvious countermeasure. LOL

OSX is so awesome that they wanted some of that X goodness.

Maybe there’s a link with iOS (Windows is also meant for touch devices now) ? Next year Apple will release iOS 9 – maybe Microsoft wanted to stay ahead so jumped to 10 !

Stop for a moment, and think about it… Windows 8.1 IS Windows 9. i.e. 8+1 = 9

The NT kernel version bump from 6.2 to 6.3 effectively confirms it. Win10 = NT 6.4

HINT: notice how the numerals in each NT kernel version add up to the Windows version number. 6.1 = 7 , 6.2 = 8, 6.3 = (9 or 8+1) , and soon 6.4 = Windows 10.

Microsoft wants to distance themselves from ‘Windows Metro’ (as it should have been labeled). A lot of people felt deceived by the Win8 naming. i.e The expectation was an ‘upgrade’ and not a completely new (unfamiliar) paradigm. The fact it’s already called ‘Windows 10’ indicates MS is now backtracking to re-identify with a Windows 7 desktop.

In the process, they’re quietly stepping away from Windows 8 & 8.1 (what was to be 9).

I don’t understand why they won’t decouple the core OS from the window manager and let users decide which variation to use. This is how Unix/Linux has been for 25+ years.

If they insist on melding Metro with the Desktop in Windows 10, then they had better damn well offer an EASY way to disable ALL the ‘features’ of one side or the other.

I don’t think this is a good idea.. lol.. in theory, every other release microsoft put out was a muckup of the last good release they had.. Case in point, 95=meh, 98=Good, ME=Crap, XP=Good, Vista=Crap, 7=Good, 8=Crap.. following this same pattern 9=Good, 10=Crap.. hope you guys are looking forward to another year or so of crap.. lol..

They just wanted to avoid confusion with Windows 9X

The next version should be 1111. It would balance out all those 2000s.

which one is better windows 9 or windows 10

dont forget about google and how they went from linux os to chrome os

Why not…Windows Longhorn II?

Aw, Come on! If i’ts because of the code, It was Only Change 9 to 09.. And name it Windows 9. Simple as that.

They might do it as Windows 10, 10.1, 10.2-10.10, 10.11, 10.12, 10.14 (jumping 13 due to suspicion, unless Ballmer was the one with that fear), and so on.

Just more deceptive marketing since most people truly hate Windows 8. But the funny thing about their stupidity is that everyone expects 9 to be good & 10 to be terrible due to their track record. So basically their effort to be crafty is just shooting themselves in the foot. Be QUIET customers… we’re busy clearing all these trees so that we can find the forest!

Rescued?? MS stole their GUI from Apple after SJ (after invitation from Xerox) refined it. MS was offered a licence by Apple (no small favor) to use it- for 1.0, but then took legal action to try to say it was for all time, for everything. A sh*t stunt that mirrors their whole knife-in-the-back future. They couldn’t even have started if not for PC-DOS from IBM…Every step of their history is buy out/force out/monopolize/or sue. Do you think Gates sit on a mountain of money ’cause he’s just a swell guy, a squishy grampa?

As for Linux, it shares it’s Unix roots with that other “clone” Apple…and “command-line” is Windows-speak–> you mean using the “terminal”, I’m guessing.

Lastly, if you actually believe that the terminal is currently “the best user interaction” for Linux users, then you obviously have had your head up your backside for decades.

PS: For those intelligent & open-minded folks reading these comments, download the .ISO image for Linux Mint 17 & test drive it yourself. It emulates best if written to a USB stick, so just follow the info on doing that. You’ll be blown away by this stunning OS.

What are you blathering about?

Jobs got the idea for the GUI from Xerox.

Microsoft wrote PC-DOS for IBM.

The command line far precedes windows, as that is what the DOS interface was called. The DOS command interpreter was called COMMAND.COM. CLI (Command line interface) is a common name for any text mode command input mode.

Terminal is the program you use to emulate a serial terminal to access the command line on *nix.

And the terminal *is* the best interaction on *nix. Any good sysadmin will tell you so. GUIs are for Windows weenies that can’t operate a computer without a mouse.

Uh huh…another person who needs affirmation because they want cred for cmd/term/CLI use…okay, “pat on head for you, darling”… smh

I don’t seek nor need affirmation from you. I do this for a living, and I (and others) have worked out over the years which are the best and most efficient tools for the job.

Command line is actually the best way to use pretty much any Unix system. This is actually NOT a bad thing (CLI-fu is a lot more powerful and efficient than using a GUI any day, part of why I hate this “EVERYTHING MUST BE TOUCH” trend.)

However, if your point was either “there’s GUIs for Linux” or “the command line isn’t the only GOOD way to use Linux” I agree with you.

I’d argue inevitability on the GUI concept, actually. Apple didn’t really have a leg to stand on for trying to go after MS on implementing a GUI, as it was clear by the fact Xerox put together the Alta system based on prior work by others that GUIs were inevitable. Actually, the lawsuit in question wasn’t even over GUIs proper but STACKING WINDOW MANAGERS (overlapping windows.)

Microsoft did actually bail out Apple by buying 10% of their stock. At that time Apple was slowly circling the drain due to the management’s decisions of the time, including licensing out Mac OS to let people make third party Macs. The other thing that saved Apple was buying NeXT, of which Steve Jobs was CEO, which brought him back into being in charge of Apple. This was ALL, however, thanks to Microsoft’s 10% share in Apple.

This same purchase brought the NeXTStep codebase under Apple’s control which, when it was combined with the open source BSD and Mach codebases, formed Darwin (Running the XNU kernel which Apple forked off Mach.), on which Apple then extended the NeXTStep API and created Cocoa and Carbon, which brought OS X and iOS into being.

Darwin is still open source and available, but these days there’s no worthwhile non-Apple builds of it for people to use the way they’d use BSD or Linux.

PC-DOS was not from IBM, it was Microsoft’s version of DOS FOR IBM. And Microsoft stabbed IBM in the back over NT, which was originally meant to drive OS/2 as a new underlying OS for it, not DOS. When Microsoft started putting NT to Windows instead of OS/2, IBM got (Rightfully.) upset that Microsoft didn’t deliver on their partnership. This is why some NT tech, including some early NTFS support, is in later versions of OS/2, as it came straight from Microsoft.

I use Arch Linux, myself.

Eh, whatever, i dumped windows and went Linux(Linux Mint 17.1), and never looked back…….Win 7 was great, Win 8.1 ruined it.

I suggest GigaSmartNatural because everybody seems to like these terms. Or maybe SmartGreenGluten-free.

‘“Windows X” would’ve been better …[and]…is impossible due to Apple’s own OS X’

Not to mention ‘X Window’ is already taken.

Windows 8.0 – 8.1 are a piece of $hit. Windows 7 are probably the best windows among with XP. i doubt that they’ll release a better version! BTW i’ll stay on 7 even if windows 15 are out

It’s not called windows 9 because of the association of 9 lives. every journalist would say it’s at the end of it’s 9 lives.

winblows 9 was supposed to be a kernel stripped almost back to dos roots, it’s clear it died or has been mothballed :(

Simple Answer. In Germany, Nein means No.

You do the math.

I guess it would depend on how you count versions.

I’ve always thought that they messed up with windows 7’s name because it was not the 7th major release of windows.

After windows 3.11 was Win 95 which makes it windows 4,

I tend to skip Win 98 and Me because the former was really just 95 with IE4 jammed in and the latter because it was a disaster that never should have been released.

so now we come to Windows 2000 being really windows 5 (which matches with it being NT 5.0), windows XP as windows 6, windows vista is really windows 7, windows 7 is really 8 and windows 8 is really 9

So depending on how you count things windows 10 is either the 10th major windows release or if you prefer to count Win 98 or (shudder) Win Me then it should really be 11 or 12 even.

“Benny says that Trend Micro — a Japanese company — did the same thing a few years ago when it skipped version 9 of its antivirus software.”

This is not true. PC-cillin 2002 was version 9 and I used it. Virus Buster 2002 also existed in Japan. They did, however, skip version 13 – instead releasing versions 12, 12.5 and then jumping to 14.

Isn’t this just how your typical Microsoft exec counts? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10. I don’t see the problem. Excel computes that way too.

Well, I think it’s just simple math: Vista Version 6.0, Win 7 6.1(6+1=7), Win 8 6.2(6+2=8), Win 8.1 6.3(6+3=9) means that we already have Windows 9, Win 10 6.4(6+4=10). Easy… ;-)

Any one else notice that 10 is actually 2.0?

does anyone pay attention to the build number?

here is how the builds go from windows xp to windows 10

windows xp – build 5000

windows vista – build 6000

windows 7 – build 7000

windows 8 – build 8000

windows 8.1 – build 9000

windows 10 technical peview – build 9926

when windows 10 is release to the public the build will be at 10,000

Software used to be about engineering and firm quality thresholds. Now it’s some popularity contest and 80% marketing 20% engineering. It’s all about “rapid release” which is the opposite of hold-for-further-testing. It’s nightly builds straight to your desktop and silent nothing-to-see-here “updating.” What’s firefox up to now version 79? What’s Chrome version 83? Adobe went with roman numerals and more marketing games. What ever happened to a truly quality product SELLING ITSELF. I should also mention that I found this thread via google search and that I could care less about admins who whine about posting to “old” threads. I’m surprised Micro$$oft didn’t call it Windows 10,000 in order to make it sound even further from XP, the most-efficient operating system that most people wanted to keep, but who were forced to abandon.

It would have been a lot easier just to say

Windows 10 is called windows 10 so when MS release it, it can be called Windows X with a nice big X behind the word Windows on the packaging.

The answer is simple: They have just forgotten that the next number after 8 is 9. A foolish mistake. Unfortunately nobody dares to say the king in naked

They need to stop calling it windows… period…

It is almost redundant that 99% of us don’t even use the “windows” feature at-all. (The true windows, as having a program run in “a window” was not “windows”. Windows selling-novelty was “Windows”, plural. Windows inside of windows. Honestly, I have not seen any application use that feature since 95, back when AOL was around. Well, file-explorer sort-of uses windows… Though that is just split-screens, one for the file-tree. You can’t move the windows around, inside the single window.)

Still, most of us don’t use windows (window – singular), as we usually run things full-screen or “paged”, as tabs, or with over-lay apps…

Time for a new marketing name. Drop “Windows” and replace it with the word, “Icons”, because that is all windows is actually good for. Short-cut icon cluttering, which is how it displays every file and program in the OS. I know, it’s as horrible as “windows”, but more realistic to what it actually is, an icon-library of programs and files. A poorly sorted and organized card-catalog, like in a library… As if those were ever organized in a library anyways.

Hell, just call the OS, “Dewey”… Do-we work today, or do-we play? Do-we get infected, or do-we actually have a virus-free browsing experience today? Do-we have to pay again, for HD-icons and more clutter, or do-we get our old clutter-system back in the next upgrade? Do-we even lift bro?

Dewey Version 0, because, do-we really need version numbers if the crap doesn’t work anywhere-else, except on one system… If version 1, 2, 3, 4, were supported and working, then there is a reason to use numbers. But when you have to abandon all prior versions, due to failures or lack of support, what is the point… Do-we need to play this game still?

I like the German version of Windows Nein.

who cares, I’m still running Windows 7, and looking forward Windows 13 :) if you know what I mean.

why not Windows X?

should have called it OSW.

This article’s a bit out of date in the respect that the kernel version for Windows 10 is actually 10.0 now. Windows 7 and 8 listed the kernel version as 6.x due to app compatibility problems that arose with Vista, due to horrible coding practices like the one mentioned in the article. Microsoft got around this by telling any app that doesn’t explicitly state it supports Windows 10 via the app manifest that its actually kernel version 6.3, making the app think its on Windows 8.1.

The exact reason it is called Windows 10 and not Windows 9 is the sole fact that the code is still the same as it was back when Windows 95/98 was still around and they didnt want to have compatibility issues between the current code and new/old software. So instead of rewriting it from scratch, they just skipped the number.

The simplest answer to why they call it Windows 10 (Ten) is not actual 10 or X or ten. MS don’t have the answer what to do with it and seem can’t think of anything new to add except fixing bunch of Windows 8 failures.

To summarize that, it logically called as a Windows /0 (division by zero). A version of windows that disfunction and numb from becoming a useful OS. Since it look alike a ten, let just call it Windows 10.

It may be becoming a free OS, but beware of any cause it may given to users. So, use it with your own risk. The /0 problem is not something can be solved in a millennium. It’s likely will keep asking users to fund them as long as they use it until MS found a new ideas for the next new version of Windows OS.

Thanks for the insight on Windows 10.

It has nothing to do with coding languages. Microsoft calls their OS programatically by the kernel version (6.4 for 10 which is 6+4=10) not by the box numbering.

The Leddit post is referencing Java, which often does have lazy code that calls the .xml version which is the box lettering. Literally no other developers are this retarded.

With build 9926 of Windows 10, if you open a command prompt and type “ver” for version it will show as “10.0.9926”. The point being that they have finally aligned the actual version number with the advertised name/version number.

Windows 10 is version 10, not 6.4 (they are raising the kernel version to match finally)

You do realize that the new version number of Windows 10 actually is called 10.

Why am I not bothered at all with what’s it called?

I think logically it’s because the average consumer has no understanding of operating systems would see an Apple computer with OS 10 as being more advanced because the new windows is numbered 9…and more has to be better. Similarly, most know little more about a combustion engine then the fact that when you push the gas pedal it goes, and when the line sits on E too long stops working. So, I understand the name convention…most when it comes to hardware and software understand absolutely nothing at all.

Also, regarding the dislike to Windows 8…Microsoft had little choice with everything migrating to touch devices…they do see the writing on the wall and the wave leaving the building.

Perhaps it should have been called Windows Treme, since it’s supposed to be the X-Treme version

In hindsight they should have called it Windows 20/20 . . .

i think Microsoft is now making a unique thing for all the users. If they release Windows 9 then we will expect and wait for newer version named as Windows 10

There were earlier versions of windows e.g. Windows 95 and 98 that are commonly known as Windows 9X. The reason to skip Windows 9 is to avoid the confusion that could have been caused between Windows 9 and Windows 9X

Firstly Microsoft Windows 9, 10 or 11, it’s still a DUD OS as long as Microsoft insist on glueing two completely different environments into one. Why not give business users a choice of GUI so we can turn off all the metro stuff which just gets in the way? Secondly the real problem is Microsoft’s ‘open’ hardware and software user base which is completely different to the closed shop Apple environment. From the beginning there was too much freedom in the PC world with PC users expecting everything for free/pirated but that ecosystem is what made Microsoft #1. Changing this freebie attitude is what Microsoft has to try and do.

I assumed it was because Windows 9 would sound more like Windows No to German speakers listening to any English language advertising.

because windows 8, 9.

(windows ate nine)

Actually Trend Micro did not skip version 9 for their enterprise solution Deep Security. Just an FYI.

Would you trust an operating system from the company that can’t count to ten?

Best players in almost all sports team wear No. 10 Jersey. May be Microsoft wants to show itself as the best player? :D

You know, what difference does it make? Microsoft is still marketing the most widely used OS in the world. From the days of programming computers with telephone switchboard plugs to CPM, DOS, DOS 3.1, PRODOS, etc… it was Microsoft that ushered millions and millions of users into the age where computers are ubiquitous and necessary tools. Of course it hasn’t been perfect. Nothing that humans do ever is. Remember the Titanic! However, it is far from a worldwide disaster. Having grown up with a computer for a mother and an electronic engineer for a father I think I am qualified to say so.

Before you all start laughing and hurling insults about me calling Mom a computer let me tell you it was true. Absolutely true. During WWI and WWII the Department of Defense hurriedly and widely searched for women with mathematical talent.

If a woman passed the tests she would be hired to work with engineers in the area of new weapons development. Their job tittle was “Computer I”, Computer II”, “Computer III” and so on up to “Master Computer”. They computed the results of mathematical formulas derived by the mostly male engineers they worked for. Shell trajectories, RADAR frequencies, amount of gunpowder required for a particular rifle shell, etc… My Mom was a computer and she was proud of it. So am I.

Take that Bill Gates and don’t screw up the memory of Computers everywhere!

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In Germany Windows 9 would come across as Windows No.

Windows 10 is version 10.0, starting with Build 9926.

Another reason could be to get more attention as simple as that

As a programmer who has used almost that exact same piece of version-checking code, I can believe it’s a major reason for skipping 9.

GetVersion() still returns numbers, not strings. It would be an act of malice or incredible stupidity to ever use string comparisons on that.

Actual version – 6.4 … six+four=ten

Windows 7 is 6.1

Windows 8 is 6.2

Windows 10 is 6.4

Ok, whats 6+1, 6+2 and 6+4 equal?

The answer is simpler than you think.

that’s actually smart in terms of windows OSes build update/NT update

So Windows 10, 8, 8.1, 7 should all have been service packs for Windows Vista?

It gets weirder. Newer builds of Windows 10 actually do have a version number of 10 (10.0.10041 on my system.)

lol that’s funny

It shouldnt be called either. It should be just named Windows One. It is also related to a marketing part “one for all” since it will be an all devices.

They feel left out, they want the title of OSX.

The only thing is, after they get started on 10, they’ll be stuck on it for a long time. I wonder when the Mac will go to 11. Maybe this will be the push that Apple needed.

Spartan Browser is complete rubbish! I used it today and only had four tabs open and it was consuming over 1.8 GB of RAM

I get so tired of this kind of stuff, whether it’s true or not: “… Windows 8, which Microsoft really wants to bury in the living room couch cushions when no one is looking.”

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it will end if its 9.

Not on topic, but Windows 8 removed creation of hotspot through GUI, changing Wireless network details (password) through GUI and some settings are available only through PC Settings which takes up the whole screen and can`t be minimized or resized.

because windows 8 9 hahahah doh :P

Windows 9 sounds like an ordinary upgrade and may also make people feel its not as different as Windows 8.

Windows 10 seems to completely remove itself from the failed Windows 8. Call it a revolutionary upgrade rather than a simple upgrade. Wait? What am I saying? lol

So an article about nothing.

maybe someone raped windows os? :D

There are only 10 types that understand binary…

Maybe MS is recycling numbers, and 2.0 is “new” again?

Windows Snow Leopard. The best one.

So this is the reason behind the name WINDOWS 10

I think it’s Windows 10 because of Windows 8.1

So I know what’s happening… Microsoft don’t know how to count! Take a look at this: Windows 1.0, Windows 2.0, Windows 3.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Millenium Edition, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10.

Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One.

Now there’s the fucking irony.

I think Microsoft initially started with Windows9 then someone came up with a bright idea to use Windows 10… maybe just make a noise. But look at this… it’s a footprint of Windows9:

Dumb. Also hope it’s not touch screen based like 8.

Maybe it will be Windows X. Everyone is putting X in everything now days.

New theory: Yes the title is “Windows 10,” but it is pronounced “Windows Two.”

If this one went over your head, just move along.

I have my theory of the windows 9 skip: It does not fit in the 5 character code for Microsoft Windows. Here is a list and their codes which better explains what I mean:

Windows 95: Code: WIN95

Windows NT: Code: WINNT

Windows 98: Code: WIN98

WIndows Millenium: Code: WINME

WIndows 2000: Code: WIN2K

Windows XP: Code: WINXP

Windows Vista: Code: VISTA

Windows 8: Code: EIGHT

Windows 8.1: Code: WIN81

WIndows 10: Code: WIN10

Windows 9? Why not WIN09. This could confuse with 2009 and NINE is spelled with 4 letters. So 9 was skipped. We could also consider 10 being replaced by X which could give the possibility of having version 10.1 through 10.9 tweaking the code from WIN11 to WINX1, leaving place for Windows 11 and so on…

It should’ve fucking been called Windows X at least. (“Windows IX” would be okay too)

Following the same logic new Xbox can’t be named One because Xbox 1 has been done by the giants that came before us.

Why does this article keep being pushed to the front page? This is old news.

They decided to put the announcement of Windows 10’s release date in here. Honestly, I wanted a new article to talk about it, alongside the new build.

It’s just marketing b*ll. Nothing else.

They think most people will be idiots buying the same re-packaged and even worse Metro/ModernUI crap of Windows8 and 8.1 with the new Windows10.

Will most people in the world then prove Microsoft managers to be really idiots ?

Microsoft failed at forcing the Metro/ModernUI unusable awful childish nonsense crap so far both with WIndows8 and 8.1 and with WindowsPhone and the Surface tablets.

Are they going to make a fool of people then ?

They built up the DirectX 12 +200% to +500% performance boost myth on the ‘net in the last months as part of the “make a fool of Windows customers/users” in a hope that that would be enough to sell the atrocious Windows 10 stuff which is nothing more than Windows 8.2 and a real mess at it. And DirectX 12 not being released for either Windows 7 or Windows 8.x

BUT the problem for Microsoft is that it’s 2015 and news and proof can travel at insanely high speed on the ‘net.. and when word of mouth can’t be skewed nor controlled by manufacturers/publishers then it can be big trouble for them if found guilty of cheating and telling b*ll.

And with DirectX 12 so far it really seems that the whole huge performance boost is just going to be an absolute fake. More b*ll is not going to help selling Windows 10 at all.

Games with DirectX 12 support are showing at best a +10% overall performance boost .. far from the claimed +200% to +500%. And the result is going to be just having maybe 10 3D characters on a fight scene instead of 5 or 6 with DirectX 11 and really no other improvement…

So that is going to be a huge disappointment and it’s not going to sell Windows 10 to people for sure.

People don’t have to buy Win10, according to that tray icon that I’ve been getting on all my computers.

I swear I read this article months ago, did you Necro it to add in the release date? =P

So does this mean we will get DX12 on July 29th? I know we wont get all the benefits of DX12 in games already on the market but I seem to recall reading that DX12 would allow Vram stacking for users who have SLI or CrossFire setups. Vram stacking alone should be pretty sweet, I’d love to see 8gb of Vram at my disposal =)

“But Windows 10 isn’t any more right or wrong than calling Vista’s successor Windows 7”

I agree that both cases involve inconsistencies. But I am inclined to say that the former inconsistency is of a different sort and “larger” than the other. That is, it seems you would need more reason to justify going from number names that correspond to whatever they correspond to to number names that don’t than going from non-number names to number names or vice versa. Unfortunately, it’s not clear to me why there’s a difference between the two cases, but it may be that the former convention is more “entrenched” than the other.

It’s not windows 10, but windows 2.0 – as new, better windows, where 10 its hidden binary ‘2’ ;D

“even if “Windows” or “Windows X” would’ve been better”

Windows 9 would have been better. “Windows” doesn’t tell you anything. “Windows X” would have the same confusion as Windows XP plus get associated with Mac OS X.

This is all arbitrary as you said, but what you’ve said is worse. The leap to Windows 10 is just odd.

It is all about math.

Windows 7 is 6.1 6+1=7

Windows 8 is 6.2 6+2=8

Windows 8.1 is 6.3 6+3=9

Windows 10 is 6.4 6+4=10

Windows 8.1 should have been 9.

they should had just called it windows x tiger lol

Simple reason: I heard that google searches for “windows 9” would come up cluttered with hits on 95 and 98.

Which version of Windows is best or worst is a definite, unqualified maybe. Ask 100 people and you’re likely to get that many different answers. I’ve had just about every version, never had much trouble with any of them. I’m happy with 8.1, and looking forward to 10.

That said, I sure hope that the Elves of Redmond have by now learned not to monkey around with a UI that millions of people, many and perhaps most of whom are technically illiterate, have grown accustomed to. Never again should they try to switch the brake and gas pedals. Add a new feature now and then, and fix bugs, but don’t significantly change the way people interact with the OS.

The answer is too simple.

Windows Vista – ver 6.0

Windows 7 – ver 6.1 (6+1) equals 7

Windows 8 – ver 6.2 (6+2) equals 8

Windows 8.1 – ver 6.3 (6+3) and (8+1) equal 9

Windows 10 – ver 6.4 (6+4) equals 10

tbh after watching this I kinda dont want 10 I think it is going to crap and complex trying to make 2 different worlds into one I dont think it will work I am a 8.1 user and 7 user how ever I prefer 8.1 and i think they are going to lose strengths of swipe actions personally I think voice and body language should be integrated to a high level dragon natural speaking and have google/bing dictionary integrated. I feel things should get more cloud active for example autodesk have launched apps that are cloud base because the apps quires extensive hardware properties which allows us to us strong powerful programs that are very demanding on a device that provides a fraction

Should have been just Ms. Windows Boyd. A name close enough to what it is for and then we could have called her just Ms. Boyd…. it sure would have stuck in the mind of the new generation….. time to drop curtains on the windows.

Wondering if Windows 12 will be Win douze?

So how about this theory: Microsoft is on a track of every other OS release being crap., Since Windows 8 was crap maybe they’re skipping WIndows 9 so they can go straight to nextgen crap rather than having to produce something good in between.

People forget that the numbering for Windows 7 didn’t make sense to begin with either. So even if they didn’t skip 9, the numbering system would still be off. Windows 95 was the 4th one… then it gets messy. Was 98 the 5th version (not by version number, as I know it was 4.1)? If 98 is the 5th one, then XP would be 6th, and Vista would be 7th… and then 7 would be 8th, and then 8 would be 9th… that makes 10 the 10th version. But you could also throw in Windows ME and Windows 2000 and then that makes Windows 10 the 12th… so everybody thinking Microsoft went crazy by skipping 9 really should look at where the hell they got the number 7 from. Windows 7’s official version number was actually 6.1 anyways.

Same reason why they do what they do (ME, Vista, RT, Zune and countless others): they have stubborn people with old ideas condemning that company to failures that can be absorbed by its other products’ huge profit margins.

I’m guessing they couldn’t license Revolution #9 for the promos.

I still find it hard to fathom how Microsoft feels that Windows 8 is only a ‘dot version’ upgrade from Vista (core version 6) … the Windows kernel version labels don’t follow the traditional and logical software naming schemes … i.e., major changes (NOT an entire re-write, just a big change) mean a whole new version number (e.g., from v5 to v6), minor fixes and add-ons result in a “dot revision” (e.g., from v5.0 to v5.1). From everything I’ve seen and read and heard, Win8 is substantially and massively changed from Vista, so logically it should be a whole version level higher at a minimum. Since NT2K was v5, Vista was quite properly designated v6, Win7 maybe coulda been 6.2 … Win8 is no less than the 7th major revision of Windows OS. Guess it all boils down to Microsoft eschewing standards and methodologies the rest of the software development world follow. That and marketing.

Windows 6.0 >>6 – Vista (Windows 6)

Windows 6.1 >>6+1 = 7 – Windows 7

Windows 6.2 >>6+2 = 8 – Windows 8

Windows 6.3 >>6+3 = 9 – Windows 8.1 (8+1 = 9)

Windows 6.4 >>6+4 =10 – Windows 10

It’s not completely illogical!

i did not see this one coming either, i was more up to speed on how MS Visual Studio was versioning than windows.

I really hated how VS 2010 did not play well with devices. as that is my main bag. still, i worked with it. then i got VS 2013 pro. i currently use both of these.

with IoT on the horizon, i will be really interested to see how well Windows 10 supports various emerging protocols coming online.

I blame the Beatles ;)

its really good am using it.thanks for this.

This page certainly has all of the information and facts I needed concerning this

subject and didn’t know who to ask.

Because Microsoft have gotten so lazy they even copy Apple’s naming scheme.

“They have OS 10, therefore we must have Windows 10!”

Windows XP still the best OS for me.

Why not Windows X instead of Windows 10. Simply bcoz a Pro version of Windows X will be read as Windows X Pro in short Windows XP.

i just want to share some of my opinion with due respect to yours.

Windows started long ago, like they gave name windows 98″ , then 2002, like this. its their business strategy.

and then they started with windows 7, 8 and then 8.1 and basically windows 8.1 is the windows 9 and windows 9 is winodws 10 :p

Best to ignore Windows and get a Mac or Chromebook.

The problem with windows is that when they create a new OS you typically have to buy it or buy a new computer…In the real world if i am a business owner and lets say I’m running 7 and I have 20 or so workers with computers on their desk why would I buy a new OS or new computers every time there is an update. Doesn’t make sense…Also the Andriod OS is so much easier to use and its obvious windows is trying to impliment some android like features with the use of multiple desktops in this new version..We shall see..would be nice though if it has predictive text input….the phone is so much easier to use and switching from phone to laptop is a major pain having to spell out everything and use punctuation…ijs

If you want to know the real truth why its called Windows 10, then buy my “Windows 10 Primer” book from Amazon, as the truth is in there ;)

Windows 7 = Ver. 6.1= 6+1

Windows 8 = Ver. 6.2= 6+2

Windows 10= Ver. 6.4= 6+4

ISN’T IT OBVIOUS AND VISIBLE THROUGH NAKED EYES.

So the real question is why didn’t they call Windows 8.1 Windows 9? I might hazard a guess that because 8 was sooooo shitty they pretended the next OS was an update and shoved it out for free to cover the fact the previous system they dropped should have been a beta.

I just hate they keep changing it up. I mostly use my ‘puter for productivity but I had some great games I liked in my spare time like MS Flight Simulator (loved it!) and golfing and I really miss playing them. XP was the best — ran all my games and allowed me to do my work.

Windows X would have made more sense but it would look like they are copying Apple with their Mac OS X.

I have a decent enough theory… Well let’s start off logical. What if Microsoft originally intended for Windows 95, and Windows 98’s numbers to be decimals. Now fast-forward, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10. Ever seen any Windows 78, Windows 88, or even Windows 108? Nope. It is possible that Microsoft, to avoid any confusion did skip Windows 9 fearing it may be associated with versions of Windows 90.

Pretend you (yes you, reading this) and me are in the time frame of the almost primal Windows Versions. (95, and 98.) What ever happened to the two numbers between 95 and 98? Have we actually discussed that?

….because there were no Windows versions released in 1996 and 1997?

Wasn’t here a topic about this not too long ago?

The NT (CORE systems)

1. Windows 1.0 1.01 1.03

3. Windows 3.0 3.1 & 3.11 for workgroups.

7. Windows Vista

9. Windows 8 and 8.1

My theory is this: if you look at a Windows 8.1 standard desktop, there is a build number in the bottom right corner of the desktop (ie. “Build 9***). Windows 10 preview shows “Build 10***” in the bottom right corner of the desktop. Maybe Microsoft is going with build numbers now?

There is no “theory” it is literally exactly as you described. Windows Vista was 6.0, Windows 7 was 6.1, Windows 8 was 6.2, and Windows 8.1 is version 6.3. Then we had 6.4 for internal Windows 10, cause 6+4 is 10.

The Ledditard who claimed to be from MS was posting a snippet from a way some shitty Java developer was doing version checks. No programmer, not even the janitor, at Microsoft would be retarded enough to version check the way they described. It is so laughable it is outrageous that you put it as an “alternative theory.”

Perhaps it is really Windows bin(2) == Windows 10. Since they couldn’t have Windows 1 this was the only logical choice.

FYI. All test copies are being forfeited. You will have to buy license. Only way this is free is if you upgraded a win 7 or 8 key. My 3 test machines are locked down.

Way to kill a good intro.

Windows 10 RTM is not version 6.4, since build 9888 (Back in November) it’s been version 10.0.

I heard that they skipped 9 because Windows 8 was such a terrible marketing mid-read boondoggle that skipping 9 and going right to 10 was a psychological way to get users to think that this was completely a fresh start, and that 8 is far behind them.

I think it’s because of Win 95 and 98, there is already a Windows starting with a 9

Windows 9 is only available for users of Leisure Suit Larry 4

It’s because this is the last windows and they wanted it to be an even number. Why is it the last windows? Because it is the mark of the beast.

Call it 10, call it 9, or call it whatever. It’s the same pile of dung. If they want to be innovative, stop copying what Linux has been able to accomplish on the desktop for years. Reliably too. At a quarter to the size. Without the need for gobs of RAM and CPU cycles.

Because Windows 7 ate 9.

That doesn’t make sense the Japanese thing. It might be unlucky but it’s the same as 13 is in the west. They are not going to not buy a system because of it.

Perhaps they had a grand marketing projection spanning from xp to 10 and actually just balls it up.

LOL Windows 8 is like a suspended chord in music. You wait for the end. Ten is a good place to stop and rest a while.

Someone’s got a music theory background…..

Avoiding the obvious opportunity for confusion:

Windows 9x is a generic term referring to a series of Microsoft Windows computer operating systems produced from 1995 to 2000, which were based on the Windows 95 kernel and its underlying foundation of MS-DOS, both of which were updated in subsequent versions.

Windows 7 ate 9. What else do you think it was? Remember the saying. Why 10 scare of of 7? Because 7 ate 9.

May be Windows 10 name include 1 and 0 (Binary).

Since 1 and 0 are the source of digital data.

And hence Windows X wouldn’t have been better

ACTUALLY That is incorrect. Microsoft just followed the popular joke, 7 “ate” 9.

Windows “9”, pronounced in German, would be Windows “Nein” and would be Windows “No”

I’ve heard it somewhere….

My German would be enough to verify what is written above.

How about just calling it Windows Nueve which is Windows 9 in Spanish, but sounds like New Wave. Besides, Latins are the happiest people on earth according to recent polls. You just dropped the ball Microsoft when you could have put more TIME into making the actual 10 or X, into a amazing thing.

So, you said all that basically to say “we don’t know.”

windows 8 was the worst operating system I’ve ever used. Everything about Windows changed fundamentally. And my computer crashed several times a day only six months in due to a kernel error.

First two lines he says its a long and winding road but he spelt versions ersionsXD

I noticed that. XD

(and also that you spelled “spelled” as “spelt”). ;-Þ

Windows 9 = Windows Nine = Windows “nein” in German = Windows “no” in English.

Microsoft just avoided bad publicity.

Windows 1.0 – A good start, but could be better

Windows 2.0 – Way better than 1.0

Windows 3.1 – Good

Windows 95 – Awesome

Windows 98 – Good

Windows ME – Horrible

Windows XP – Awesome

Windows Vista – OK

Windows 7 – Awesome

Windows 8.1 – Better than 8.0

Windows 10 – Awesomer than Awesome

Your e-mailer was wrong.

It’s not the number 9 that’s unlucky, it’s numbers 4 and 7 that are unlucky (because they can be pronounced “shi” & “shichi,” respectively, which are homophones for ‘death’).

It’s simple really, the people in charge of the department that gives the names can’t accurately count past 8.

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Hi didn’t know really why they not made windows 9 why to direct to Windows 10 Activator. but I got lot info and read peoples discussion it’s a huge discussion thanks everyone

Windows 6.1 => 6+1=7; Windows 7

Windows 6.2 => 6+2=8; Windows 8

Windows 6.3 => 6+3=9; W̶i̶n̶d̶o̶w̶s̶ ̶9̶ Windows 8.1 (8+1=9)

Windows 6.4 => 6+4=10; Windows 10

Windows 8.1 was Windows 9.

They just called it that because it can’t stand alone enough to be called it’s own operating system.

How are 95, 98, and 2000 not numbers? Do you always begin articles by contradicting yourself?

Your first theory is not even close. The Xbox One in Japan has either just reached 100,000 sales or less and it’s been TWO Years. Besides in Japan Apple is way more popular according to sales charts.

They allowed you to run multiple instances of the same driver, creating a host of problems. In fact, if it weren’t for these operating systems

Panda Antivirus 2015

Proudly using Windows XP!

I know the real reason

because seven ate nine

get it eight, ate !

Windows 10 feels like being an update of windows 1.0 with prettier font and ui with ms dos core replaced with Vista kernel

windows 8.1 is WINDOWS 9 (because windows 8 is 6.2 and windows 8.1 is 6.3)(if you do not catch what i am saying (6 + 2 = 8 and 6 + 3 = 9) windows 10 calls itself windows NT 10 (using 8.1 is a way to avoid the number 9 without completely ditching the actual name )

Windows 8 was so bad that they skipped 9 and went straight to 10.

Why is it called Xbox One when it’s the third official generation of the Xbox series? Because Microsoft, that’s why.

Funny how everyone wants to play Vista as a bad Operating System, yet it’s now most real techs are writing about it. When Vista came out it was too rich, and Microsoft did not give vendors enough time to write drivers for it. But the funny thing is Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10 are all running on Vista under cover. Please search the internet for articles on it. most of the post are from your average users, who use only 15% of their computer’s capabilities. I am a tech by trade, yet all my computers with Vista in the house are working without ever having the need to restore them for over 9 years.

Well I for one am expecting Micro to come up with a newer windows. Better than 10, And maybe, just maybe I get to name it. My name pick will be Majesic.

i think it makes sense that windows 10 is named after an alternative to try and name it windows 1.

Update: it is actually 10.0 now.

next version will be called windows dab

it makes the start menu say dab and everything else dabs until your pc explodes

“Windows One was done by the giants before us.”

So was the XBox One. It came out in 2001. So don’t pretend you’re above the “erase history gimmick.” You just Winamped Windows. Winamping is when you skip a build number as a gimmick, named after Winamp, which was the first software to do it. Only they outright said that skipping the build number meant it was that much better. You didn’t even bother to do that much. You just left it hanging out there all pink and naked, too afraid to say it, too spineless to deny it.

You hit the nail on the head. I was searching for the same form some time ago and found a great service with a huge forms library. Try PDFfiller to fill permit search here http://goo.gl/B3fDHo . It allows you to to fill out PDF files.

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